4BC Brisbane, Breakfast With Peter Fegan

Dept of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Communications

PETER FEGAN: Now, you'll remember last year we reported it here on 4BC and it made headlines nationally, the states were officially put on notice by the Federal Government. The states were saying, show me the money and the Federal Government was simply saying, well, prove what it's worth. Federal Transport Minister Catherine King told state premiers if they wanted cash, they needed good business cases. It's pretty smart politics, really. The good news is we've passed the test here in Brisbane. Today, we'll be handed a cheque for $200 million, and it includes funding for one of Brisbane's oldest icons. The Federal Transport Minister, Catherine King, joins me on the line. Minister, great to have your company this morning.

CATHERINE KING: So lovely to be with you, Peter. It's a beautiful day here in Brisbane.

PETER FEGAN: Now, one of our landmarks, our most famous landmarks, will be getting some cash. Can you reveal it on the program please?

CATHERINE KING: Yeah. So we're working with the Brisbane City Council to start to investigate what the cost of and scope of work that are needed to restore and to future maintenance of what is obviously the most iconic bridge, one of the most iconic bridges in the country, apart from the Sydney Harbour Bridge, of course. But it's- you know, it's a landmark. And so we're putting in alongside Brisbane City Council together, $5 million to really get that work done, to see what is it that we're going to need to do. It's going to need more cash into the future. But this is really starting the process of working with the council to look at what do we need to make sure this bridge stays there into the future and is as strong as it possibly can be, and we keep it there for many, many generations to enjoy.

PETER FEGAN: Now, there was also $1 million that's been put aside to investigate a bridge from West End to Toowong. Well, Minister, I'm going to do you a favour here this morning. I'm going to save you that $1 million, and I'm going to say this, just build it because we've wanted it for so long.

CATHERINE KING: [Laughs] Well, unfortunately we have to work out the cost of these things first. And part of what you do with the business case and the planning is you do the geotech work. You have a look at what services need to be moved so that you can then- the city council can come to me and say, well, look, we need this amount of money to actually build it. So that's really just the start of the process. And I was at the opening, obviously, of Kangaroo Point Bridge. I've seen hundreds and hundreds of people have been using that. We want to see people being able to access all parts of the city. And so this is again, just working with the Brisbane City Council, doing that planning work, finding out how much- you know, we really need to understand how much it costs and then sort of getting on with it once we've got that understanding.

PETER FEGAN: Minister, no more footbridges. We need cars to go across. We drive here in Brisbane. We don't get transport, unfortunately.

CATHERINE KING: Well, we do lots of things. I think people catch buses.

PETER FEGAN: [Laughs]

CATHERINE KING: So obviously, there's the Brisbane Metro [indistinct], there's people do that. People will cycle. I've seen people everywhere doing that. I've seen people walking across footbridges and then I've obviously seen- in terms of lots of cars as well. Everyone does all of those things. But cars are obviously pretty important here in Queensland.

PETER FEGAN: Minister, I found this one very interesting, being somebody that grew up in the western suburbs of Brisbane, plenty of people listening to me from the west this morning, they'll find this interesting. $78.5 million towards cost pressures on the Moggill Road Corridor upgrade project, replacing Indooroopilly roundabout with an overpass over Moggill Road. Now that's great, but what about the Moggill Road corridor in particular? And then that's further out towards Moggill. And I'm talking about land that had been put aside. Government land, Crown land that's been put aside since Malcolm Fraser's days. And yet people that live out in those western suburbs are still struggling to get to work, because we haven't used that parcel of land. Can you give a guarantee that one day we may use it?

CATHERINE KING: What again, we do is work in partnership with councils. So obviously Brisbane City Council is in a really unique position across the country that it has such a substantial road and obviously public transport network that it has to fund and build itself. So we work closely with Brisbane City Council and also state governments. They bring projects forward to us in budget and we make considerations of those. We've got to do the planning work first, make sure we understand it, but know if the council or the state government want to bring that forward. I, of course, will give it due consideration in the budget process.

PETER FEGAN: $7.2 billion upgrade to fix the Bruce Highway. I think this is the most contentious topic here in Queensland. And I got to say, Minister, when it comes to the election, this will be one of the most divisive topics and I think you'll either win or lose votes here. $7.2 billion upgrade to fix the Bruce, right? That's one hell of an obligation to Queenslanders in particular. But I've got to say this, Minister, we are reluctant to believe either government, particularly this Labor Government at the moment, because it was this government that had turned its back on the Bruce and had switched the funding arrangement around. $7.2 billion sounds fantastic. I've got to say, on behalf of all Queensland, Minister, we just need to get on with it. We need this highway to be safe.

CATHERINE KING: Absolutely. And that's why, you know, the earliest possible opportunity we did, we've made the announcement at that $7.2 billion. Money will flow this year and every subsequent year. We've said we'll get it done in eight years. We've asked the Queensland Government to deliver that …

PETER FEGAN: [Talks over] But it's been 50.

CATHERINE KING: … then obviously [indistinct].

PETER FEGAN: 50 or 60 years, Minister. It's 50 or 60 years and not one government can fix it.

CATHERINE KING: Well, this Government has made the single biggest contribution to the Bruce Highway ever. And this is a Labor Government that has done that. And if you look back when we were last in office, prior to that, it was the then infrastructure minister, now Prime Minister, who then made the single biggest commitment to this.

This is a Labor legacy, and we are absolutely committed to making the Bruce Highway safer. We've been in government obviously two and a half years. And I do want to make it really clear, no money has ever been cut from the Bruce Highway. What we have said is-

PETER FEGAN: But the funding agreement- the funding- hang on, Minister, the funding agreement, that's not true. The funding agreement was an 80/20 split…

CATHERINE KING: [Talks over] That's true…

PETER FEGAN: … and you- but you changed that. So that's funding cutting. Hang on, Minister, you changed that. It was an 80/20 split, but you say no funding has ever been cut. If you change- if you go from 80/20 to 50/50, that to me- I'm not a mathematician, but that's a 30 per cent cut in funding.

CATHERINE KING: So no, it isn't. And so I want to make that really clear. I think there's some confusion about that and been a bit of mischief about that. So first thing is not a single dollar has been cut from the Bruce Highway. In fact, the commitment that we've got, there's $10 billion that has already been spent on the Bruce Highway. That has remained, and then we've put in an additional 7.2 billion. We've recognised on the Bruce Highway, in particular because of the safety concerns, 41 deaths just last year alone, that we will continue to fund that on an 80/20 basis.

But what we did announce is that because the Commonwealth is now increasingly funding suburban roads, public transport and has stepped into the space of the state governments, largely, we're now on other roads, particularly across the country, now requiring the state to also step up its commitment. We're not dropping any of our funding. There's still $125 billion worth of Commonwealth funding going to states and territories. We're not dropping that. We're just asking the states to step up with their contribution as well. So it's not a cut to our funding. We're asking the states to step in in the same way we're stepping in on suburban roads now, but generally were 100 per cent of the state to fund.

PETER FEGAN: It's bang on quarter after eight. My guest this morning is the Federal Transport Minister, Catherine King. $200 million being announced today in funding for our roads here in Brisbane and in the South East. Minister, I've got to say this. It's smart politics to ask the states to present you a case study because money is really, really tight, particularly on a federal level. So I like it. I think it's good politics, and I think that that's what the states should have to do. The reason I'm asking you about this, though, is because we need a really nice, new shiny stadium here in Queensland and particularly in Brisbane. We've got the Olympics coming. Now, if there was a case study put forward by David Crisafulli for a brand-new stadium, you'd be on board, wouldn't you?

CATHERINE KING: Well, the thing that we have put money towards, so there's $3.5 billion capped from the Commonwealth going into the Olympics. We have said the Commonwealth's contribution will go towards the Brisbane Arena. $2.5 billion is going towards that, we think, will leave a really significant legacy for an entertainment venue here in the heart of Brisbane - really necessary. We've also said we will 50/50 share the minor venues. Obviously, the Queensland Government is undertaking a review of those venues at the moment, but the Commonwealth has done- we've done the work, we've done the business case, the work is ready to go on the Brisbane Arena and that remains- you know, remains there on the table to build that arena for Brisbane. We think it's needed and it will leave a great legacy for the community.

PETER FEGAN: Let's hope they're listening, because it's next month that we announce whether we're going to get a new stadium or not. Before I let you go, Minister, what did you make of today's announcements? I want to get your thoughts on this because your government has approved a deal between Virgin and Qatar Airways. Now, this is a deal that would see Qatar be able to invest in Virgin. It means there's going to be more Qatar flights. It means we can spread our wings a little bit. Should hopefully cheapen flight prices here in Australia. But I've got to think back, if my memory serves me correctly, it was you that clipped Qatar's wings in the first place.

CATHERINE KING: So what we've had announced today is that the Treasurer has approved the Foreign Investment Review Board's decision that Qatar Airways, the Qatari government, can invest in Virgin, and that obviously allows Virgin to do a number of things in terms of it going forward. Obviously, Bain Capital is wanting to withdraw and have Qatar now come in as the major investor. What it's allowed us also to do is ensure that there are some Australians on the board of Virgin to make sure that we've got that in place and that they're in fact opportunities to train Australian pilots, as again, Qatar has been granted through Virgin some wet leases to increase its flights, its international flights and create that competition. And I think that's a good thing.

PETER FEGAN: Before I let you go, we've got some breaking news. The election, 12 April. Is that right?

CATHERINE KING: [Laughs] Very nice try there. What a sneaky way to do it, you cheeky thing.

PETER FEGAN: [Laughs] I should have just - I shouldn't have laughed.

CATHERINE KING: You should have just- I know, I nearly believed you then. You just got me. I've got three brothers who do that to me all the time.

PETER FEGAN: What would you have said, though?

CATHERINE KING: I don't know, I have absolutely no idea. [Indistinct] to the Prime Minister, but very cheeky. You nearly got me.

PETER FEGAN: Good on you, Minister. We'll chat again very soon.

CATHERINE KING: Lovely to talk to you, Peter.

PETER FEGAN: There she is. That's the Federal Transport Minister, Catherine King.

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